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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: So, how's the GUI version coming?
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In article <71nirb$6l7$1@samba.rahul.net>, <dold@network.rahul.net> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: : We're still working on it :-)
:
: : out in favor of GUI dialogs. Thus GUI dialogs (thousands of them) must be
:
: GUI dialogs? I don't want those.
:
Experienced users tend not to care about these, but new users do need them.
Most software these days caters to new users at the expense of experienced
ones. After all, if you're experienced with a certain product, the vendor
already has your money. We'd like to expand our user base too -- as a matter
of survival -- but unlike most other vendors, we do not plan to do so at
the expense of our current user base.
: What I want is to be able to keep all of my scripts (currently executable
: on multiple platforms), and a command line that continues to be nearly
: identical on all of the platforms.
:
You will have that. Even the full GUI version will have a command window
that is essentially identical to the current one, but there will be other
windows besides. For example, you'll be able to see the command and terminal
windows at the same time, and there might also be a client/server window,
a graphics window (for Tektronix), etc.
: What I need in GUI is the connect, terminal, and script invocation part.
:
Right.
: Are you intending to make Kermit more GUI than PCPlus? I think PCPlus has
: some poor programming and default operations, but I am near putting it in
: place in lieu of K-95...
:
You can get a pretty good idea from:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/kuishots.html
These are preliminary screen shots, but the concept is about right.
: I need a GUI looking terminal screen, with some clickable thingies to
: connect to various computers... Very close to what K95 offers since the K95
: 1.0 "dialer" window. Making the command screen non-existent is also
: important.
:
You'll be able to hide the command screen.
: There should be an option to _never_ show the command screen.
: When the connection closes, or can't dial, or whatever, no command screen
: with the (shudder) typed word "exit", just bail out, back to the "dialer".
:
Right.
: The desktop icons representing connections put me very close. If you could
: just have a drop down clickable list of macros (scripts) in a terminal
: window, I'd go now.
:
That's part of the plan.
: My problem with indeterminate product development cycles is that I don't
: know how long to wait. I won't ever use a GUI script development, I don't
: think. If K-95 1.17 is all I've got to work with for another year, I'll
: buy 20 copies and be done. I need the scripting. My users want to click
: on developed product. They don't want scripting authoring at all, I don't
: want GUI in my scripting.
:
: I've used Kermit since 2.0, now I'm waiting for 2.0 again ;-)
:
We do our best. We have less than half the programmers we had in the
old days when Kermit was a sponsored project -- such are the realities of
self-funding.
- Frank